Transcript of conference held at Jan 30, 2026 in room first_test@conference.miaiconvo.com Initial people present at 3:03:50 PM: Brian Johns - Doctor Evan Hartman - Patient Transcript, started at 3:03:50 PM: ________________________________________________________________________________ <3:03:50 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient joined the conference <3:03:50 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor joined the conference <3:03:51 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: you <3:03:58 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: good <3:03:58 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: hello sir thank you for coming in today how are you <3:04:01 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: I'm doing well how are you <3:04:06 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: I'm doing good so just tell me real quickly what kind of brings you in today to see me <3:04:06 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: yeah I know in the past we've kind of been discussing how much I'm drinking and just following up on that <3:04:11 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: mm-hmm yeah and what are we kind of talked about in the past with regards to the drinking just remind me real quick <3:04:20 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: yeah just kind of how much I've been drinking and kind of the things that I do when I drink <3:04:25 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: mm-hmm <3:04:29 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: mm-hmm and tell me a little bit more about that like what do you do when you drink what kind of happens when you drink how much how often this kind of things <3:04:30 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: oh yeah I only drink on the weekends I don't drink during the weekday at all and I love to go out with friends I have a great time with them and it's a it's a pretty big social interaction for me and then yeah you know I do drink quite a bit but I don't really think it's a problem I I go to work just fine I'm doing well at work and <3:04:38 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: okay <3:04:44 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: mm-hmm so like on weekends how much would you say you drink if you had to quantify like how many cans of beer or whatever preferred alcohol you you have <3:05:01 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: I'm not aggressive like I'm not a fighter when I drink or anything like that really in the past we were just talking about how on the weekends you know sometimes it's blur blurry you know as a night goes on or sometimes I wake up <3:05:01 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: like <3:05:18 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: that I get home you know I don't really really know so that's kind of what we've discussed in the past <3:05:24 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: oh <3:05:33 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: I <3:05:33 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: okay <3:05:35 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: when I go <3:05:35 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: I usually drink like Jack and Diet Cokes like something like that like a mixed cocktail and I don't know I usually lose count but I'd say close to 10 at least <3:05:49 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: go <3:05:49 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: out and <3:05:51 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: yeah yeah a lot of people um you know alcohol is a big part of just American life I understand kind of what you're coming from tell me a little bit more about what kind of like <3:05:52 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: usually once a week and at least and then sometimes Friday and Saturday night you know depending on who's in town who's around what sports are on and stuff like that <3:06:13 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: is appealing about the drinking to you because you mentioned like losing track of time or weekends become blurry that sounds kind of scary to me like so it just elaborate with me kind of what is appealing to you about I would call it the culture but or the Arts but like what is appealing about drinking itself it makes any sense <3:06:32 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: I like the social aspect of it <3:06:32 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: I think it's <3:06:34 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: yeah okay it sounds like it has a big social impact for you is that right <3:06:37 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: fun time I like to drink I do like the taste of alcohol and you know all my friends drink and that's one way that we can all get together have some laughs maybe watch some of our favorite sports teams together and just kind of relax and de-stress from our different jobs that we do <3:06:57 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: yeah I'd say that's the the biggest aspect of it for me <3:07:01 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: okay <3:07:05 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: um no I don't think so you know I'm performing well at work I don't think I've seen any lapses and what I do and my boss hasn't said anything there's no concerns from that end and <3:07:06 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: has it had any like noticeably like negative impacts on you that you can think of <3:07:12 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: mm-hmm <3:07:27 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: yeah I think my my personal life is doing fine I know my wife in the past is try to get me to cut back a little bit she's sometimes drinks on the weekends with me although I definitely drink a lot more than she does so I know that's kind of also been something that we talked about in the past as well <3:07:42 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: yeah so when you go out with your friends in these weekends lose any blurs when you say the weekends we come kind of blurry has anything negative ever happened that you come to find out after the fact <3:07:51 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: not really <3:07:51 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: um <3:07:59 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: I can think of I mean might say something bad or something like that sometimes it I don't drive when I'm that messed up you know but sometimes what I'm more coherent but still you know after some drinks I have driven home I haven't gotten any DUIs <3:08:02 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: mm-hmm <3:08:18 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: but I know that's probably not a good idea to do <3:08:19 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: he has it ever caught have you ever like considered like possibly not necessarily asking you to fully stop ever consider just cutting back for any reason <3:08:23 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: no not really because I never really saw it as a problem <3:08:32 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: okay all right has anyone like in your family like your wife or anything mentioned to you about if it might be a problem or not I know you mentioned that your wife has asked you to cut back a little bit <3:08:36 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: yeah <3:08:47 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: these settings <3:08:48 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: yeah it's really just been my wife that's try to get me to cut back a little bit and I might have tried a couple times but <3:08:49 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: mm-hmm <3:08:55 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: again you know I didn't really think it was a problem and I'm not really seeing any negative effects in my life yet with it so maybe I don't know maybe it's something I consider but <3:08:57 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: you <3:09:04 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: mmm <3:09:06 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: I don't know I'm kind of indifferent at this point <3:09:08 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: okay that's that's probably Fair understand a lot of people kind of like to take a day by day and as you mentioned earlier you mentioned the social aspect of it which can be a very appealing thing to people you know back in the 1950s a lot of people would smoke because it was a social thing right and we're very social creatures so I kind of understand from that point I think that's a very valid reason <3:09:33 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: do you think easy mentioned you don't see any effects yet you think there could be any long-term effects from it that you could think of <3:09:42 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: potentially yeah I know you know it can cause some damage to your liver and that can be <3:09:49 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: pretty bad and it I know some people who have you know some alcohol addictions and when they've tried to stop they go through a pretty pretty bad time and so yeah I know like it can definitely you know cause some wear and tear on on my body and maybe long-term isn't the best thing to <3:09:58 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: mm-hmm <3:10:09 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: do at the at the pace that I'm doing it currently <3:10:10 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: okay yeah I think that's a fair observation do you have like on a scale like 1 to 10 like with one being not motivated at all or 10 being willing to give it a try like how motivated would you be to just like maybe like on the weekends not necessarily asking you to stop out right but maybe willing to like cut back on like one or two drinks to start <3:10:12 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: maybe like a four or five I'd say I could see myself going either way <3:10:39 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: okay I think that's a perfectly fair thing so why not and so four or five why not say like a seven or eight what's kind of holding you back <3:10:40 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: but I don't want to lose the social aspect of it <3:10:49 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: that yeah that's a big thing yeah <3:10:52 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: yeah yeah really I guess that's my only there's I don't really have any any better reason here it's just that social aspect of things <3:11:01 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: yeah the social aspect can make it particularly hard to change even if you wanted to because we wouldn't just be giving up something we enjoy through the alcohol we'd also be giving up what we feel like our Social Circle that's also a support for us right so that can make it extremely difficult as well <3:11:03 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: mm-hmm <3:11:16 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: okay so do you have any ideas as to why you wouldn't you don't want to be or let me rephrase that <3:11:18 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: here I think kind of like what you brought up with the <3:11:26 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: so you mentioned of your four out of five in terms of motivation it just cut back just a little bit why not something even less like a two or two or a one out of 10 <3:11:38 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: asking about the long term effects I know it can be difficult and no I do have a little daughter and would I know my wife wants to have another kid so I feel like sometimes I lose out on <3:11:38 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: the <3:11:51 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: Mmm Yeah okay I think that's a good observation <3:11:53 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: these at my daughter's doing and maybe I should be a little better role model and <3:11:59 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: be around more in a non- intoxicated state <3:12:04 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: yeah I was just gonna cut you off <3:12:07 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: so it's been eight minutes do we stop that <3:12:10 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: okay cool <3:12:12 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: I was I was about to do it before that last question but you asked anything <3:12:15 PM> Brian Johns - Doctor: yeah I did I looked at I saw seven minutes like should I keep going <3:12:21 PM> Evan Hartman - Patient: all right thoughts about how it actually before I asked that let me ________________________________________________________________________________ End of transcript at Jan 30, 2026, 3:12:33 PM